1 00:00:05,690 --> 00:00:02,030 hi everyone this is Martin Willis with 2 00:00:08,379 --> 00:00:05,700 podcast UFO we have episode number nine 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:08,389 today you can follow us on twitter at 4 00:00:15,410 --> 00:00:13,049 twitter.com / podcast UFO you can listen 5 00:00:17,150 --> 00:00:15,420 to us on your smartphone on stitcher we 6 00:00:19,609 --> 00:00:17,160 have a free app on our website today's 7 00:00:22,279 --> 00:00:19,619 guest is John Kelly Vancouver UFO 8 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:22,289 examiner he's a fascinating guests and 9 00:00:41,810 --> 00:00:24,960 it's a great show and I hope you enjoy 10 00:00:48,810 --> 00:00:45,170 hi everyone we have a John Kelly 11 00:00:51,270 --> 00:00:48,820 Vancouver UFO examiner on skype how you 12 00:00:52,950 --> 00:00:51,280 doing John to do great Martin's thanks 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:52,960 for having me on your show yeah thank 14 00:00:57,270 --> 00:00:54,610 you for joining us and you're in 15 00:00:59,340 --> 00:00:57,280 Vancouver and one of the subjects we had 16 00:01:03,660 --> 00:00:59,350 talked about is possibly talking about 17 00:01:05,999 --> 00:01:03,670 UFOs in Canada and specifically on the 18 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:06,009 west coast and I'm fascinated by this 19 00:01:12,030 --> 00:01:09,190 and it seems like you hear quite a bit 20 00:01:14,460 --> 00:01:12,040 about UFOs in Canada well you know we 21 00:01:16,889 --> 00:01:14,470 have a very curious population people 22 00:01:18,630 --> 00:01:16,899 are interested in this subject and you 23 00:01:20,820 --> 00:01:18,640 know we're spread out we're spread out 24 00:01:23,430 --> 00:01:20,830 over a huge land mass for the second 25 00:01:25,830 --> 00:01:23,440 largest country by by landmass alone so 26 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:25,840 we have lots of opportunities for people 27 00:01:31,139 --> 00:01:27,520 to have encounters not only in nature 28 00:01:32,430 --> 00:01:31,149 but in the cities and again lost people 29 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:32,440 are interested in these topics are 30 00:01:37,410 --> 00:01:33,850 interested in they speculate you know 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:37,420 with potential significance is it can't 32 00:01:41,340 --> 00:01:38,890 Canada certainly can be a great place 33 00:01:45,450 --> 00:01:41,350 for these kinds of encounters yes I have 34 00:01:47,730 --> 00:01:45,460 a friend that lives in Ontario and I was 35 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:47,740 talking to him and I finally brought up 36 00:01:52,530 --> 00:01:50,710 the fact that I have a site on UFOs and 37 00:01:53,910 --> 00:01:52,540 he didn't say anything for a while and I 38 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:53,920 thought well you think I'm nuts right 39 00:01:58,410 --> 00:01:55,720 you know cuz that's generally what a lot 40 00:02:01,980 --> 00:01:58,420 of people say and he said no he says uh 41 00:02:06,420 --> 00:02:01,990 actually said I was at a party in 1978 42 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:06,430 and we all stopped and watched this we 43 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:09,549 heard jet jets fighter jets coming with 44 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:11,200 their afterburners on and they were all 45 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:13,660 chasing a disc he said and we watched it 46 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:16,420 go across one way and around and back 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:19,750 and he said and they everyone looked in 48 00:02:23,310 --> 00:02:21,010 the papers the next day and there was 49 00:02:25,289 --> 00:02:23,320 nothing about it and but nobody ever 50 00:02:27,420 --> 00:02:25,299 talked about it yeah well there 51 00:02:29,819 --> 00:02:27,430 certainly is a stigma public opinion has 52 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:29,829 been formed in such a way that witnesses 53 00:02:33,300 --> 00:02:31,150 who come forward with claims about 54 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:33,310 encounters with UFOs are looked upon 55 00:02:38,750 --> 00:02:36,310 with derision but there can be no doubt 56 00:02:40,620 --> 00:02:38,760 that evidence continues to mount up 57 00:02:42,270 --> 00:02:40,630 throughout the world and with 58 00:02:44,819 --> 00:02:42,280 instrumental evidence we were no longer 59 00:02:46,530 --> 00:02:44,829 in the realm of speculation about the 60 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:46,540 role of the imagination of the witness 61 00:02:50,819 --> 00:02:48,250 or their state their state of mind 62 00:02:52,830 --> 00:02:50,829 cameras aren't susceptible to emotions 63 00:02:55,090 --> 00:02:52,840 moods and other mental types of 64 00:02:57,490 --> 00:02:55,100 influences they simply go once 65 00:03:00,100 --> 00:02:57,500 there and the evidence continues to pile 66 00:03:02,890 --> 00:03:00,110 up so I'm not surprised in a way when 67 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:02,900 people say that you know the more the 68 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:04,730 more people I talk to about the subject 69 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:08,210 i find out that that people people 70 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:09,770 around me have had experience with it 71 00:03:13,930 --> 00:03:11,630 right but we're still you know 72 00:03:15,550 --> 00:03:13,940 collectively we're still coming in to a 73 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:15,560 point where we're finding a comfort zone 74 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:17,840 in the face of you know an onslaught of 75 00:03:22,270 --> 00:03:19,250 Hollywood films that continues to 76 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:22,280 portray the subject has a versus type of 77 00:03:27,630 --> 00:03:24,710 a scenario aliens vs. Toulon's right 78 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:27,640 this kind of el predator type of 79 00:03:34,630 --> 00:03:31,910 archetype is is not helping but but we 80 00:03:37,030 --> 00:03:34,640 you know at a grassroots level the 81 00:03:39,070 --> 00:03:37,040 citizens can say you know we want we 82 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:39,080 want to pursue this in a Miss on Tiant 83 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:40,250 Wade you know to develop our 84 00:03:45,310 --> 00:03:42,560 intelligence develop our education 85 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:45,320 around this topic to learn how to better 86 00:03:49,420 --> 00:03:47,330 interact with the world obviously to 87 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:49,430 those of us who have been part of these 88 00:03:54,340 --> 00:03:52,640 experiences over many years the UFO is 89 00:03:55,930 --> 00:03:54,350 part of the world that we live in how 90 00:03:57,190 --> 00:03:55,940 can we better understand the subject and 91 00:03:59,050 --> 00:03:57,200 learn to harmonize and live in a way 92 00:04:00,670 --> 00:03:59,060 that will help us to accelerate and 93 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:00,680 knowledge and as well to leverage the 94 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:04,850 potential that these you know ostensibly 95 00:04:12,580 --> 00:04:07,330 energy and advanced civilization 96 00:04:14,110 --> 00:04:12,590 technologies represent mm-hmm you sort 97 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:14,120 of touched on something just a second 98 00:04:18,580 --> 00:04:16,370 ago and I'd like to ask your opinion do 99 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:18,590 you think that the encounters are 100 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:22,310 benevolent well you know this is this 101 00:04:26,830 --> 00:04:24,320 question is is is something that people 102 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:26,840 will discuss in the book he quite often 103 00:04:32,410 --> 00:04:30,010 I don't like to make broad 104 00:04:33,730 --> 00:04:32,420 generalizations you know my 105 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:33,740 understanding of the nature of the world 106 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:35,210 is that there's night and there's day 107 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:37,730 there's good and there's bad it's it's 108 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:39,710 the way the world is and so having an 109 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:41,810 expectation that there's any type of 110 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:43,660 experience that's that's infinitely 111 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:48,710 fantastic is kind of naive in my opinion 112 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:52,070 there's ups and downs in any area 113 00:04:56,980 --> 00:04:54,890 including UFO contact I mean my study to 114 00:04:59,350 --> 00:04:56,990 shown that people claim to have 115 00:05:01,930 --> 00:04:59,360 experienced contact that involved in 116 00:05:04,330 --> 00:05:01,940 abductions those people were were 117 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:04,340 actually terrified and it did give them 118 00:05:07,970 --> 00:05:06,800 emotional albums for decades after the 119 00:05:10,730 --> 00:05:07,980 incidents 120 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:10,740 so people do have difficulty with these 121 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:12,000 encounters they're not it's not all 122 00:05:18,380 --> 00:05:14,970 easiest not all fun and games there is 123 00:05:21,020 --> 00:05:18,390 there is there are great the great 124 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:21,030 potential represented by by the nature 125 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:23,730 of these contacts but to anticipate that 126 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:25,410 everything is going to be a walk down 127 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:27,930 the garden path is not even unrealistic 128 00:05:31,010 --> 00:05:29,460 nothing in this world is like that 129 00:05:33,230 --> 00:05:31,020 everything has its ups and downs good 130 00:05:35,780 --> 00:05:33,240 and bad strengths and weaknesses you 131 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:35,790 know some people you know sort of stevia 132 00:05:41,180 --> 00:05:37,890 questions full of identify the 133 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,190 extraterrestrials are you know some kind 134 00:05:45,050 --> 00:05:43,680 of living some kind of perfect life you 135 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:45,060 know if only I was an extraterrestrial 136 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:47,010 all my all my worldly problems would 137 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:48,900 disappear but Eva even the 138 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:50,850 extraterrestrials have to die they don't 139 00:05:54,530 --> 00:05:52,380 live forever yeah I have to deal with 140 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:54,540 death and we have to deal with death so 141 00:05:58,310 --> 00:05:56,850 it comes down to do you know what it all 142 00:06:00,050 --> 00:05:58,320 seems to come down to then is how do we 143 00:06:02,270 --> 00:06:00,060 manage you know how do we live in to 144 00:06:06,770 --> 00:06:02,280 honor and dignity you know it side by 145 00:06:08,270 --> 00:06:06,780 side in a harmonious way to achieve the 146 00:06:10,010 --> 00:06:08,280 maximum growth and potential in our 147 00:06:11,780 --> 00:06:10,020 lifetimes this seems to be the question 148 00:06:13,820 --> 00:06:11,790 whether you're an ET or a human we all 149 00:06:15,260 --> 00:06:13,830 have to face these you know these basic 150 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:15,270 essential questions there's no escaping 151 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:19,470 it so I don't take one side or the other 152 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:21,810 I honor and respect the positions of 153 00:06:25,130 --> 00:06:23,520 those who've had who had difficulty 154 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:25,140 through through counties with these 155 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:29,250 phenomena but I all learn from those who 156 00:06:34,250 --> 00:06:31,890 bring messages of hope and and higher 157 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:34,260 potential through these encounters as 158 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:36,840 well very good that's really a lot of 159 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:40,500 really good points there you can we talk 160 00:06:44,810 --> 00:06:42,360 a little bit about what is going on 161 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:44,820 these days and in the UFO s with all the 162 00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:46,830 new technology out there via you know 163 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:48,720 video cameras and cell cameras and all 164 00:06:53,030 --> 00:06:51,090 that yo there's a lot of different 165 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:53,040 information coming forward on a fairly 166 00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:54,960 frequent basis in a couple of different 167 00:07:00,140 --> 00:06:57,300 way can find out more on the internet 168 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:00,150 one very popular online publication of 169 00:07:07,340 --> 00:07:02,910 course is UFO digest and they have a 170 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:07,350 Canadian of a portal as well UFO digest 171 00:07:13,820 --> 00:07:10,710 dot CA which focuses on stories coming 172 00:07:16,850 --> 00:07:13,830 out of Canada and the publication team 173 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:16,860 there get the law terials not only for 174 00:07:21,050 --> 00:07:18,090 myself from the west coast but of 175 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:21,060 materials from Ontario Manitoba 176 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:22,970 ontario course is a huge population 177 00:07:28,430 --> 00:07:26,730 center so the potential the number of 178 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:28,440 potential witnesses of course is great 179 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:31,050 and many many interesting stories come 180 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:33,810 from that region I've interviewed people 181 00:07:37,850 --> 00:07:36,330 from that area for party to those 182 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:37,860 incidents and in touch with the 183 00:07:43,250 --> 00:07:40,470 witnesses as well of course in British 184 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:43,260 Columbia where I'm located we have some 185 00:07:49,220 --> 00:07:45,440 level organization there's there's a 186 00:07:52,780 --> 00:07:49,230 society a non-profit society called UFO 187 00:07:58,159 --> 00:07:52,790 bc which primarily serves is a 188 00:08:00,409 --> 00:07:58,169 collection a basket for public witness 189 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:00,419 testimonies they collect testimonies and 190 00:08:04,270 --> 00:08:01,650 publish them on a website and through 191 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:04,280 newsletters and they've been around for 192 00:08:09,770 --> 00:08:08,250 four I think several decades if but but 193 00:08:13,129 --> 00:08:09,780 many years so they have they're quite a 194 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:13,139 log of information UFO BBC's website at 195 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:16,290 UFO bc orgy course excite to visit for 196 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:20,970 that and I write a column called The 197 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:23,360 Vancouver UFO examiner for examiner.com 198 00:08:29,390 --> 00:08:27,150 with concentrations on experiences and 199 00:08:33,110 --> 00:08:29,400 events in Vancouver and the southwestern 200 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:33,120 region but because of my connections i 201 00:08:38,079 --> 00:08:36,150 also have materials that come in from 202 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:38,089 the pacific northwest washington state 203 00:08:44,450 --> 00:08:41,610 as well as my connections in the 204 00:08:45,829 --> 00:08:44,460 southern US and Texas and and elsewhere 205 00:08:49,220 --> 00:08:45,839 so I'm in touch with some of the leading 206 00:08:50,690 --> 00:08:49,230 researchers in Pennsylvania people 207 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:50,700 producing video on a regular basis 208 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:52,500 Allison Cruz comes to mind is someone 209 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:55,110 who produced a plethora of video images 210 00:09:00,260 --> 00:08:57,330 shot in third generation night vision 211 00:09:02,060 --> 00:09:00,270 and high-definition professional camera 212 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:02,070 systems from her location in in 213 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:03,810 Pennsylvania she's probably if you think 214 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:05,610 about videographers in this field she's 215 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:06,690 one of the people I think about who's 216 00:09:10,430 --> 00:09:08,220 was really on the front lines of a 217 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:10,440 grassroots initiative to invest in 218 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:13,380 decent photographic equipment and to 219 00:09:19,579 --> 00:09:16,230 release publication directly to the 220 00:09:21,860 --> 00:09:19,589 public not to archive materials away 221 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:21,870 make them inaccessible but to go out to 222 00:09:27,290 --> 00:09:24,810 push this out into the public forum John 223 00:09:29,449 --> 00:09:27,300 Leonard walson is also a very well-known 224 00:09:32,420 --> 00:09:29,459 videographer in this news he's based out 225 00:09:33,949 --> 00:09:32,430 of England in the UK which of course has 226 00:09:35,330 --> 00:09:33,959 a strong connection with with Canada and 227 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:35,340 Canada Canadian history 228 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:38,910 but his use of HD camera mounted in a 229 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:42,450 proprietary telescope system that he 230 00:09:48,230 --> 00:09:45,330 devised has produced a very exciting 231 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:48,240 images that show stationary objects on 232 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:49,800 the edge of the atmosphere that at first 233 00:09:53,060 --> 00:09:51,600 appear to be like satellites or even 234 00:09:56,570 --> 00:09:53,070 stars or planets but through the 235 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:56,580 telescope show exceptional detail really 236 00:10:00,230 --> 00:09:57,930 one of the most exciting videographers 237 00:10:01,790 --> 00:10:00,240 again out there John Leonard walson both 238 00:10:03,530 --> 00:10:01,800 he and Allison Cruz's material can be 239 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:03,540 seen on YouTube on a regular basis I've 240 00:10:07,220 --> 00:10:05,250 interviewed Allison Cruz for the 241 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:07,230 vancouver UFO examiner John Lonard 242 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:10,050 walson is is more inaccessible to the 243 00:10:13,430 --> 00:10:11,610 media but he publishes on a regular 244 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:13,440 basis and so if you're looking at you 245 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:14,970 want to look at the bleeding edge not 246 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:19,170 only of do-it-yourself camera rigs that 247 00:10:24,050 --> 00:10:20,880 people are devising you know on a home 248 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:24,060 budget but also the exciting materials 249 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:25,740 that they've been able to document and 250 00:10:28,940 --> 00:10:26,880 that they're sharing openly with the 251 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:28,950 public I think of those two people the 252 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:31,650 most now here in British Columbia we 253 00:10:35,270 --> 00:10:33,000 certainly have no shortage of people 254 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:35,280 with cameras and excitement for for 255 00:10:42,110 --> 00:10:37,260 these type of topics you know the we're 256 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:42,120 on the far west coast of the continent 257 00:10:47,030 --> 00:10:44,910 and there is a lot of legacy here in 258 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:47,040 Vancouver and in the region for all 259 00:10:53,420 --> 00:10:49,110 kinds of really interesting phenomena 260 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:53,430 which includes Sasquatch UFO other kinds 261 00:10:58,250 --> 00:10:55,110 of spiritual phenomena lots of mysteries 262 00:11:00,590 --> 00:10:58,260 here lot lots of it we're on the edge of 263 00:11:03,770 --> 00:11:00,600 all kinds of wilderness in huge 264 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:03,780 territory with sparse population so 265 00:11:07,430 --> 00:11:05,970 where I'm in the City of Vancouver I can 266 00:11:09,290 --> 00:11:07,440 see the mountains on our North Shore but 267 00:11:11,330 --> 00:11:09,300 just on the other side of the mountains 268 00:11:14,660 --> 00:11:11,340 that's all bear country cougar country 269 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:14,670 you know you got but your bald eagle all 270 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:17,520 the all the wildlife you can imagine is 271 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:20,970 rich here and include including all the 272 00:11:24,980 --> 00:11:23,730 other mystery and mystical phenomena 273 00:11:27,980 --> 00:11:24,990 that comes with nature in the wilderness 274 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:27,990 including the UFOs the Sasquatch it's 275 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:30,810 all local here in the region a woman 276 00:11:35,180 --> 00:11:32,490 named Dorothy Isaac became very well 277 00:11:37,010 --> 00:11:35,190 known through the 1970s and 1980s 278 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:37,020 through the publication of her eight 279 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:39,360 millimeter film collection and she 280 00:11:43,610 --> 00:11:40,950 recorded over 30,000 feet of 281 00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:43,620 8-millimeter UFOs 8-millimeter film of 282 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:45,900 UFOs from her mostly from her back her 283 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:48,420 back deck in Richmond which is 284 00:11:54,889 --> 00:11:51,300 one of the part of the greater vancouver 285 00:11:56,180 --> 00:11:54,899 area city of richmond just fascinating 286 00:11:58,759 --> 00:11:56,190 should we just go on their back deck and 287 00:12:00,319 --> 00:11:58,769 she would start rolling and the UFOs to 288 00:12:01,550 --> 00:12:00,329 appear and she would get the captures 289 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:01,560 she made all kinds of television 290 00:12:04,340 --> 00:12:03,000 appearances over the decades and 291 00:12:06,740 --> 00:12:04,350 released a book in the last five years 292 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:06,750 or so I believe along with the DVD 293 00:12:13,189 --> 00:12:10,649 Dorothy eyes it is the person that I Z 294 00:12:15,170 --> 00:12:13,199 ATT is the spelling of that name someone 295 00:12:17,540 --> 00:12:15,180 to look out for someone who has a strong 296 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:17,550 legacy here in the Vancouver area who's 297 00:12:22,340 --> 00:12:20,040 lots of documentation had university 298 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:22,350 professors examining her and her foot 299 00:12:26,689 --> 00:12:25,170 agenda they all found it very convincing 300 00:12:28,550 --> 00:12:26,699 certainly a great inspiration what you 301 00:12:30,889 --> 00:12:28,560 know when people see your average 302 00:12:32,930 --> 00:12:30,899 citizen homemaker participating in these 303 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:32,940 cosmic events it makes us feel that we 304 00:12:36,860 --> 00:12:35,310 in spite of whatever our limitations 305 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:36,870 might be is the average person we also 306 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:39,930 can be party and participant and engage 307 00:12:45,860 --> 00:12:43,139 in phenomena that really transcend the 308 00:12:47,629 --> 00:12:45,870 limits of mainstream human knowledge and 309 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:47,639 understanding I mean maybe sequestered 310 00:12:53,689 --> 00:12:50,570 somewhere in some black budget you know 311 00:12:55,579 --> 00:12:53,699 top-secret file there's all this 312 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:55,589 information and secret research that 313 00:12:59,569 --> 00:12:57,930 what the public may never see but the 314 00:13:03,259 --> 00:12:59,579 average citizens and the average citizen 315 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:03,269 in truth has as much a more potential 316 00:13:07,189 --> 00:13:05,370 access as the high priest of science you 317 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:07,199 don't need to be we don't you know you 318 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:10,170 don't need to be as my colleague James 319 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:11,910 Gillan says a rocket scientist to 320 00:13:18,319 --> 00:13:16,350 participate we have inborn potential for 321 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:18,329 these things we just need to exercise it 322 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:20,550 our curiosity a little bit of 323 00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:22,079 inspiration a little imagination a 324 00:13:26,210 --> 00:13:24,959 little bit of study can go a long ways 325 00:13:29,090 --> 00:13:26,220 you know when I was growing up here in 326 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:29,100 Vancouver I took liberal advantage of 327 00:13:32,540 --> 00:13:31,050 the local community libraries which 328 00:13:34,970 --> 00:13:32,550 stocked plenty of books on the 329 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:34,980 paranormal and UFOs I learned about dr. 330 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:36,720 jail and Hynek when I was eight years 331 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:40,649 old so I was like I had a picture what 332 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:43,649 started your interest in this and it was 333 00:13:47,809 --> 00:13:45,470 you started reading at a very young age 334 00:13:50,750 --> 00:13:47,819 yeah I think as a young reader when I 335 00:13:52,939 --> 00:13:50,760 early reader this this topic area in 336 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:52,949 general uh you know the the the 337 00:13:57,410 --> 00:13:54,810 intellectual subjects that were beyond 338 00:13:59,420 --> 00:13:57,420 the the curriculum of the university's 339 00:14:00,760 --> 00:13:59,430 these were the subjects that captured my 340 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:00,770 attention and 341 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:04,770 Draeger and all of these authors whose 342 00:14:10,970 --> 00:14:07,440 books came out from the the 1960s 1970s 343 00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:10,980 I I read through many of them with great 344 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:13,380 interest and it fueled my imagination 345 00:14:19,130 --> 00:14:16,710 tremendously of course so as a young 346 00:14:21,140 --> 00:14:19,140 reader I was exposed to some good some 347 00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:21,150 good authors and those publications and 348 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:23,640 it gave me a give me a foothold on these 349 00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:25,530 these borderline areas of scientific 350 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:27,960 research that had appealed to to highly 351 00:14:32,690 --> 00:14:30,300 intellectual people who were these 352 00:14:36,290 --> 00:14:32,700 authors and researchers and they were 353 00:14:37,730 --> 00:14:36,300 sharing and and it felt to me that this 354 00:14:39,410 --> 00:14:37,740 was something that would it would be a 355 00:14:41,390 --> 00:14:39,420 something of long-term interest for me 356 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:41,400 as it turned out I was living in a city 357 00:14:46,190 --> 00:14:44,160 that had a long had a legacy for these 358 00:14:48,020 --> 00:14:46,200 phenomena and eventually I was able to 359 00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:48,030 become an active participant in as a 360 00:14:52,970 --> 00:14:50,190 witness and and taping them as well oh 361 00:14:55,490 --> 00:14:52,980 really so you did some taping I've done 362 00:14:57,860 --> 00:14:55,500 quite a bit of taping I have in my 363 00:15:02,270 --> 00:14:57,870 catalog I must have 12 to 15 hours of 364 00:15:04,220 --> 00:15:02,280 just UFOs Wow well then I i I'm the 365 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:04,230 witness and the videographer and those 366 00:15:10,190 --> 00:15:07,050 and then I had my colleagues and their 367 00:15:13,420 --> 00:15:10,200 collections so less Mirza is a very 368 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:13,430 prominent local videographer who's 369 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:17,510 ongoing encounters he's documented those 370 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:21,390 nhd from his backpack in the right on 371 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:23,790 the center of the city in in the area 372 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:25,950 near the city hall vancouver city hall 373 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:29,130 where there was a well-known 1937 374 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:30,540 photograph a black-and-white that was 375 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:33,510 captured by a photographer in that 376 00:15:40,070 --> 00:15:38,130 decade did you say 1937 1937 Wow there 377 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:40,080 was a photograph that was taken that 378 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:44,510 shows an artifact on the exposure that 379 00:15:50,690 --> 00:15:48,240 resembles resembles your spaceship that 380 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:50,700 UFO flying over City Hall and as it 381 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:52,470 turns out that the City Hall 382 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:54,510 neighborhood called Mount Pleasant is is 383 00:15:59,300 --> 00:15:57,210 like a corridor for UFOs and on more 384 00:16:01,550 --> 00:15:59,310 than one occasion I've been on less 385 00:16:03,890 --> 00:16:01,560 Mirza's deck in that neighborhood taping 386 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:03,900 alongside him we had one incident that 387 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:05,610 was 40 minutes in duration where a 388 00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:09,290 cluster of UFOs flew change direction 389 00:16:13,769 --> 00:16:11,580 change colors appeared and disappeared 390 00:16:16,199 --> 00:16:13,779 and we caught it on 391 00:16:18,509 --> 00:16:16,209 two cameras so in total we have 70 392 00:16:21,239 --> 00:16:18,519 minutes of documentation of one incident 393 00:16:24,660 --> 00:16:21,249 just from one afternoon that's that's 394 00:16:26,970 --> 00:16:24,670 how much data we can collect if we you 395 00:16:29,699 --> 00:16:26,980 know pursue this with interest uh it's a 396 00:16:31,739 --> 00:16:29,709 it's absolutely accessible and anyone 397 00:16:34,319 --> 00:16:31,749 who knows me personally knows all but my 398 00:16:35,970 --> 00:16:34,329 my pitfalls and shortcomings and yeah 399 00:16:38,129 --> 00:16:35,980 yet you know the average person with a 400 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:38,139 little bit of initiative like me can be 401 00:16:42,239 --> 00:16:39,730 a participant I think that's pretty fast 402 00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:42,249 anything I think it's inspiring there's 403 00:16:46,410 --> 00:16:44,769 lots of local community interest that's 404 00:16:48,239 --> 00:16:46,420 expressed through the formation of 405 00:16:49,889 --> 00:16:48,249 different groups such as the UFO meetup 406 00:16:52,619 --> 00:16:49,899 group in Vancouver the Vancouver UFO 407 00:16:55,559 --> 00:16:52,629 meetup group has regular meetings and 408 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:55,569 people sharing their testimonies and 409 00:17:00,540 --> 00:16:57,970 insights into these and these UFOs and 410 00:17:02,939 --> 00:17:00,550 related phenomena as I said UFO bc had 411 00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:02,949 been an instrument for a long time you 412 00:17:10,110 --> 00:17:05,919 know providing a public face and to 413 00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:10,120 these issues and i saw i don't see it's 414 00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:11,919 not a topic that's going away Vancouver 415 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:14,079 has a long-standing reputation extremely 416 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:18,760 liberal leaning culture mm-hmm here so 417 00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:21,010 the people who come here you know that 418 00:17:24,990 --> 00:17:23,199 they're interested in this topic you 419 00:17:27,299 --> 00:17:25,000 know as a form of its artistic 420 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:27,309 inspiration philosophical inspiration 421 00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,490 scientific inspiration it fuels their 422 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:33,039 imaginations and we have more than our 423 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:35,370 share of incidents as I said it's it's 424 00:17:42,930 --> 00:17:40,510 it's just amazing how how often contact 425 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:42,940 you know type incidents close encounter 426 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:44,890 incidents so to speak even you know of 427 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,130 the first kind are taking place here in 428 00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:51,280 the city it's a offer of course 429 00:17:56,159 --> 00:17:52,720 Vancouver suffers from terrible weather 430 00:17:58,139 --> 00:17:56,169 like any rain forest so so we have a lot 431 00:18:00,720 --> 00:17:58,149 of gray we don't have a lot of blue sky 432 00:18:02,730 --> 00:18:00,730 days throughout the year but definitely 433 00:18:05,070 --> 00:18:02,740 on those clear days everyone is outside 434 00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:05,080 we're enthusiastic you know it's like 435 00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:06,640 it's like living in Sweden here maybe we 436 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:08,080 have a lot of dark times during the 437 00:18:12,029 --> 00:18:09,370 winter like I'm sure Maine winters are 438 00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,039 also quite severe yes yes I was in 439 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:14,559 Vancouver 22 years ago for a couple of 440 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:17,260 days and I didn't see the Sun that's for 441 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:19,630 sure yeah it can be it can be hard on 442 00:18:24,690 --> 00:18:21,760 the mind but but I'm what I'm saying is 443 00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:24,700 that almost clear days everyone who koo 444 00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:27,100 kien gets outside and 445 00:18:32,220 --> 00:18:29,260 yeah that you know and we live in a city 446 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:32,230 you know where nature is part of the 447 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:35,049 city planning we have a substantial the 448 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:37,929 park land within the city itself and i 449 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:41,049 think that the preservation of the what 450 00:18:45,090 --> 00:18:43,150 what is available to have like a lot of 451 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:45,100 heavy industry here for example so the 452 00:18:49,860 --> 00:18:46,570 preservation of the natural setting 453 00:18:53,419 --> 00:18:49,870 helps in facilitating these types of 454 00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:53,429 contact incidents the you know the 455 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:56,080 british columbia marketed for decades a 456 00:18:59,610 --> 00:18:58,090 supernatural british columbia I don't 457 00:19:02,130 --> 00:18:59,620 have any idea what they mean when they 458 00:19:03,299 --> 00:19:02,140 say that but but I can actually say 459 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:03,309 that's quite you know that's quite 460 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:05,230 ironic I have a lot of ideas of a phone 461 00:19:07,289 --> 00:19:06,490 it means I've been living here for a 462 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:07,299 long time and I've had a lot of 463 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:09,130 experiences here it's a great place for 464 00:19:14,130 --> 00:19:11,650 this mmm how what would you speculate 465 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:14,140 the reason would be why certain areas of 466 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:18,850 a country or in a region has more 467 00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:22,720 sightings in other places well sightings 468 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:25,840 are the human side of the phenomena so 469 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:26,950 in order to have a sighting you need a 470 00:19:30,990 --> 00:19:29,200 witness so in areas with large 471 00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,000 populations the potential number of 472 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:33,039 witnesses of course increases whereas 473 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:35,530 sparsely populated areas less potential 474 00:19:41,399 --> 00:19:39,610 witnesses love sightings but but but our 475 00:19:43,230 --> 00:19:41,409 perception of phenomena doesn't 476 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:43,240 necessary indicate whether it exists or 477 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:46,480 not you know in a related topic area a 478 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:49,510 new species of of shrimp was just 479 00:19:55,649 --> 00:19:54,100 discovered in a cave in New Mexico new 480 00:19:57,810 --> 00:19:55,659 their shrimp have been there in New 481 00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:57,820 Mexico was just in the news this week a 482 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:00,880 new species was just discovered well the 483 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:03,370 species didn't appear just like manifest 484 00:20:07,049 --> 00:20:04,990 last week they've been there for 485 00:20:08,490 --> 00:20:07,059 millions of years probably and we as 486 00:20:10,740 --> 00:20:08,500 humans are just catching up so the 487 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:10,750 observation of scientifically valid 488 00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:13,840 phenomena is is is the human experience 489 00:20:18,570 --> 00:20:16,630 and requires a human observer but the 490 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:18,580 existence of the phenomena isn't 491 00:20:22,649 --> 00:20:20,650 dependent on these on the presence or 492 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:22,659 availability of observers it exists 493 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:25,000 irrespective whether we know about it or 494 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:26,049 not whether we choose to be ignorant 495 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:28,120 about it or not so the UFO phenomena in 496 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:30,010 general what I say with regards to these 497 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:32,530 concentrations of sightings and and 498 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:34,390 potentially the indication of the 499 00:20:37,890 --> 00:20:35,710 phenomena are concentrated 500 00:20:40,140 --> 00:20:37,900 geographically there are in general I 501 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:40,150 say well they live here you know I don't 502 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:40,960 speculate 503 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:45,610 that uh spaceships are commuting 80 504 00:20:49,950 --> 00:20:47,529 million light years back and forth to 505 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:49,960 their star systems every day to get here 506 00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:52,510 so we can see them I don't think that's 507 00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:56,110 that's really makes a lot of sense it 508 00:20:59,250 --> 00:20:57,370 makes a lot more sense to me that 509 00:21:02,010 --> 00:20:59,260 they're present in the environment and 510 00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:02,020 that we encountered them frequently or 511 00:21:07,230 --> 00:21:05,020 infrequently as circumstances allow just 512 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:07,240 as people will have encounters with wild 513 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:09,370 animals like deer or cougars that come 514 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:11,490 onto their property or bears or wolves 515 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:14,950 you don't see them every day but we will 516 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:16,450 have encounters with the you know the 517 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:18,010 beings that live in nature it does 518 00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:22,510 happen is so so I speculate that they 519 00:21:28,860 --> 00:21:24,760 they actually reside in these areas as 520 00:21:32,430 --> 00:21:28,870 to you know their facilities or other 521 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,440 you know user acquisition of resources 522 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:35,440 and such etc those are mysteries to me I 523 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:36,970 don't have every answer but it just 524 00:21:43,889 --> 00:21:41,440 seems to me that the ability to to 525 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:43,899 launch a short notice show up for the 526 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:45,970 camera on a frequent basis for example 527 00:21:50,130 --> 00:21:48,730 it's ridiculous to think about how if we 528 00:21:51,930 --> 00:21:50,140 compare that to Hollywood special 529 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:51,940 effects the multi-million dollar budgets 530 00:21:58,049 --> 00:21:55,570 we would have to have to pay to have 531 00:21:59,940 --> 00:21:58,059 this kind of equipment flying around on 532 00:22:02,610 --> 00:21:59,950 demand to show up on the cameras just 533 00:22:05,159 --> 00:22:02,620 happen to be rolling I mean that the 534 00:22:06,389 --> 00:22:05,169 odds of that are just insane that we're 535 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:06,399 getting multi-million equivalent of 536 00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,049 multi-million dollar special effects on 537 00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,000 civilian budgets the only way that could 538 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:11,440 be possibly happening is if they're 539 00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:13,809 frequently in the area and so when I say 540 00:22:20,490 --> 00:22:18,100 UFO corridor I i think that the Avenue 541 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:20,500 along which we were able to detect the 542 00:22:24,529 --> 00:22:22,120 UFOs passage over the center of 543 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:24,539 Vancouver over near City Hall is 544 00:22:28,919 --> 00:22:26,770 possibly some kind of ancient pathway 545 00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:28,929 that they have been following long 546 00:22:36,210 --> 00:22:32,559 before the European people arrived and 547 00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:36,220 are henceforth you know they are they 548 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,720 are known to the first nations who are 549 00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:39,520 here the Native American people in the 550 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:41,820 region know of these phenomena and have 551 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:46,809 have you know talks about their position 552 00:22:50,129 --> 00:22:48,130 on these phenomena that's it's not 553 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:50,139 unknown to them at all but one comment 554 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:51,490 I'd like to state related to this 555 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:54,250 question is how the 556 00:22:56,730 --> 00:22:55,690 you know the perception of what we see 557 00:22:59,460 --> 00:22:56,740 here in Vancouver some of these 558 00:23:03,210 --> 00:22:59,470 phenomena are not unrelated visually to 559 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:03,220 what are called ebonnie in Mexico Mexico 560 00:23:08,130 --> 00:23:06,190 City a well-known UFO hotspot since the 561 00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:08,140 times of the nineteen ninety or 91 562 00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:12,160 eclipse right yeah lots of UFO materials 563 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:14,020 come from Mexico on a frequent basis and 564 00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:17,730 many of them show are these luminous of 565 00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,190 luminous balls balls of light morphing 566 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:22,960 balls of light color change this kind of 567 00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,930 thing in daylight and this is related to 568 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:28,240 what we see here so although for example 569 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:31,450 less Mirza's catalog shows some objects 570 00:23:38,130 --> 00:23:34,720 that that look like solid and metallic 571 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:38,140 bodies like spheres or discs majority of 572 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:40,630 the phenomena are there they're luminous 573 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:43,930 bodies and they morph and and so I at 574 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:45,730 least the speculation about how in 575 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:47,410 ancient times when there was a 576 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:49,690 continuous forest all the way from 577 00:23:53,730 --> 00:23:51,160 Mexico all the way up through to 578 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:53,740 northern British Columbia at which would 579 00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,300 have served as a pathway for wild 580 00:24:01,560 --> 00:23:57,520 animals like bears and cougars wolves 581 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:01,570 etc well the UFOs it would seem would be 582 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:03,010 using that we using these natural 583 00:24:07,230 --> 00:24:04,930 pathways as well for their own purposes 584 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:07,240 as to what those are I can't elaborate 585 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:09,910 but what this is what I speculate you 586 00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:11,410 know in general as someone who's been 587 00:24:15,030 --> 00:24:13,270 around paranormal photography has 588 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:15,040 produced a lot of very intensive 589 00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:17,800 paranormal photography / years I think 590 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:19,240 about the subjects of the photographs 591 00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,270 what appears are the are the subjects 592 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:24,400 that our ancient ancestors we're having 593 00:24:27,570 --> 00:24:25,930 their own perceptions of as well they 594 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:27,580 didn't have camera systems they may have 595 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,050 recorded this through artwork or 596 00:24:36,650 --> 00:24:32,320 storytelling in Stone Age societies but 597 00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:36,660 I I feel strongly that we're in a way 598 00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:41,550 particularly in our Western materialist 599 00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:46,480 day card the Descartes oriented type 600 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:48,750 approach where you know man over nature 601 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:51,490 type type of philosophy is you know the 602 00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:53,710 basis of our industrial society we're 603 00:24:58,500 --> 00:24:55,720 actually rediscovering and reconnecting 604 00:25:00,150 --> 00:24:58,510 with our ancient legacy rather than you 605 00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:00,160 know this isn't something we that was 606 00:25:05,790 --> 00:25:03,340 invented in the last 50 years the UFO 607 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,800 it's it has more to do with a 608 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:08,080 reconnection to States of knowing 609 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:10,090 understanding about the nature of the 610 00:25:14,370 --> 00:25:11,890 world that we live in and humans 611 00:25:15,690 --> 00:25:14,380 humanity's place in the world that was 612 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:15,700 that was understood by our ancient 613 00:25:19,980 --> 00:25:17,590 ancestors because again it it seems to 614 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:19,990 me or it's it's my sense of these things 615 00:25:23,789 --> 00:25:21,850 when they happen as a witness and who's 616 00:25:25,889 --> 00:25:23,799 produced a lot of photography and video 617 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:25,899 is that we're really just reconnecting 618 00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:26,890 with the experiences of our ancient 619 00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:28,840 ancestors our ancient ancestors also 620 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:30,789 encountered such phenomena and they 621 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:34,210 spoke of it in terms that may you know 622 00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,890 that may or may not be cryptic people 623 00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:37,600 speculate a lot about Ezekiel in the 624 00:25:41,899 --> 00:25:39,549 Bible and his wheel within a wheel there 625 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:41,909 was a fellow who worked at NASA who 626 00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,850 wrote books on how as an engineer he 627 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:46,960 could interpret the wheel within a wheel 628 00:25:53,129 --> 00:25:50,169 as as a nuts-and-bolts spacecraft I mean 629 00:25:56,009 --> 00:25:53,139 that was his perception of it so people 630 00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:56,019 people you know we reexamine the 631 00:26:01,919 --> 00:25:57,279 experience of our ancient ancestors a 632 00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:01,929 simple people who didn't have a lot of 633 00:26:07,769 --> 00:26:05,529 agendas you know a lot of they didn't 634 00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:07,779 they weren't married to a lot of dogmas 635 00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:11,740 necessarily you know like academic 636 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:13,929 dogmas that may limit people's 637 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:15,970 willingness to invest in research that 638 00:26:19,379 --> 00:26:17,320 it may be considered too controversial 639 00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:19,389 or politically incorrect even though it 640 00:26:22,889 --> 00:26:21,340 has scientific merit these kinds of 641 00:26:24,779 --> 00:26:22,899 these kinds of pressures didn't exist in 642 00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,789 simpler society is under people were 643 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:26,799 more free to explore an experience so 644 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:28,690 we're we're reencountering as Westerners 645 00:26:32,009 --> 00:26:30,190 people from the West in a Western 646 00:26:33,570 --> 00:26:32,019 society Western education system we're 647 00:26:35,850 --> 00:26:33,580 reencountering the experience of the 648 00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:35,860 answers and we need to we need to 649 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:37,870 evaluate our current standards and 650 00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,360 values in light of these findings and 651 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:43,360 discoveries which are inevitable you 652 00:26:47,310 --> 00:26:45,700 know is the more people get in touch 653 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:47,320 with with the with the harmony of nature 654 00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:50,350 and learning learning to understand how 655 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:51,940 the world works outside of the cities 656 00:26:56,370 --> 00:26:53,080 inside of the high-tech environment 657 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:56,380 outside of of capitalism and Wall Street 658 00:27:00,060 --> 00:26:58,330 and big governments all these things 659 00:27:01,379 --> 00:27:00,070 more people learn about this it's 660 00:27:04,049 --> 00:27:01,389 inevitable that they're going to have 661 00:27:06,629 --> 00:27:04,059 breakthrough experiences my philosophy 662 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:06,639 because I have a long background in yoga 663 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:09,130 and meditation says that it's inevitable 664 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:12,370 that all people will have contact with 665 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:14,740 cosmic phenomena from from the human to 666 00:27:19,019 --> 00:27:17,020 the cosmic there's I see a direct path 667 00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:19,029 between the two I don't see that we you 668 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:21,470 know it's necessary to have a huge 669 00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:23,450 technical infrastructure to make that 670 00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,070 happen it's wonderful to have 671 00:27:30,370 --> 00:27:27,919 instruments like space telescopes and 672 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:30,380 you know exploratory probes that go 673 00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,510 around the solar system you know to 674 00:27:38,649 --> 00:27:34,880 image planets close up it's fascinating 675 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:38,659 i love it but the human human mind is 676 00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:40,730 this powerful instrument that supersedes 677 00:27:45,549 --> 00:27:42,350 all of all of this material technology 678 00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,559 by far and this brings us this brings us 679 00:27:48,850 --> 00:27:47,120 into a very interesting topic of you of 680 00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,860 a research that I like I like to focus 681 00:27:55,390 --> 00:27:50,960 on and I think that Vancouver witnesses 682 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:55,400 are a good model for this topic which 683 00:27:59,289 --> 00:27:57,530 has to do with the psychic dimensions of 684 00:28:01,870 --> 00:27:59,299 contact that the witnesses report 685 00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:01,880 frequently which which include contact 686 00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:07,039 related dreams and so it seems that due 687 00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:09,950 to the frequency of this of reports of 688 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,960 psychic interactions including lucid 689 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:14,000 dreaming out-of-body experiences on 690 00:28:18,539 --> 00:28:16,070 behalf of the witnesses who are 691 00:28:20,890 --> 00:28:18,549 producing substantial catalogues of 692 00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,900 visual materials you know using 693 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:22,880 instruments not just this is just 694 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:25,490 speculation hypothesis or imagination 695 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,809 they produce a lot of instrumental 696 00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:28,640 evidence and in tandem with the 697 00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:30,590 production of that evidence they have 698 00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:33,230 claims consistent claims about dreams of 699 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:36,020 about contact and psychic impressions of 700 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:38,150 contact such impressions that even 701 00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:40,370 instruct them on the days which will 702 00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:42,200 where there will be abundant visual 703 00:28:47,049 --> 00:28:43,700 material and that they should have their 704 00:28:49,390 --> 00:28:47,059 cameras ready they send me emails and 705 00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,400 they say last night I have this wild 706 00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:51,200 dream about all the stuff flying over 707 00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,720 the deck so I decided to set up my 708 00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:56,000 cameras today and by five o'clock this 709 00:28:58,899 --> 00:28:57,320 afternoon I just had the most amazing 710 00:29:02,169 --> 00:28:58,909 experience and I caught the whole thing 711 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:02,179 on tape and so you know I have this 712 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,830 record you know that would stand up in 713 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:06,080 court it's all time and date stamped 714 00:29:09,789 --> 00:29:07,450 when the witness is reporting their 715 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:09,799 precognitive dream about contact and 716 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:11,510 then they're producing all this video 717 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:14,510 this is what's going on you see the 718 00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:17,510 economy of manifesting physical 719 00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:20,750 experience says you know if we think 720 00:29:25,299 --> 00:29:23,270 about places that promise a lot of 721 00:29:26,649 --> 00:29:25,309 fantasy like a Disney World you know 722 00:29:29,169 --> 00:29:26,659 where you can have an amazing experience 723 00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:29,179 that you can't get in your backyard well 724 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:30,620 the investment in infrastructure and 725 00:29:35,529 --> 00:29:32,990 technology is huge it costs a lot to 726 00:29:37,719 --> 00:29:35,539 create these amazing experience 727 00:29:39,609 --> 00:29:37,729 for people and I think the universe is 728 00:29:41,769 --> 00:29:39,619 probably the same the frequency of 729 00:29:44,529 --> 00:29:41,779 physical contact you know eyes on 730 00:29:46,539 --> 00:29:44,539 contact or situation we would be able to 731 00:29:49,389 --> 00:29:46,549 get a recording on a camera are not as 732 00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,399 frequent as the psychic contact the 733 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:50,960 physical contact serves as a touchstone 734 00:29:56,019 --> 00:29:54,169 you know if you and I Martin we're in 735 00:29:57,759 --> 00:29:56,029 business together and we have we held a 736 00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,769 meeting in Chicago where we both you 737 00:30:02,019 --> 00:29:59,840 know showed up at a conference and sat 738 00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:02,029 down a table he met eye to eye you know 739 00:30:06,609 --> 00:30:04,279 we'd establish a bond and a trust and 740 00:30:08,499 --> 00:30:06,619 then we would go back to our respective 741 00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:08,509 coasts and we can conduct business by 742 00:30:12,669 --> 00:30:11,119 telephone or internet we see you know 743 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:12,679 we're not we don't need to be physically 744 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:15,769 side by side every day to validate or to 745 00:30:20,739 --> 00:30:17,929 be effective contact and in the same way 746 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:20,749 what happens in my experience and within 747 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:22,369 the wit with the witnesses who have 748 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:25,369 spoken with me no this is not every 749 00:30:29,379 --> 00:30:27,769 witness but there are many of them it's 750 00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,389 persistent that they talk about the 751 00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:30,799 psychic dimensions of contact including 752 00:30:39,969 --> 00:30:34,580 dreams in fact UFO BBC and one of my 753 00:30:45,369 --> 00:30:39,979 summaries of their reporting from 2011 754 00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:45,379 was a story I wrote about dreams of 755 00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,409 contact that we represented highlights 756 00:30:52,029 --> 00:30:50,960 of the witness reports on the UFO bc 757 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:52,039 site there were people talking about 758 00:30:59,289 --> 00:30:56,450 really intense dreams that were that 759 00:31:03,330 --> 00:30:59,299 worse you know from my point of view we 760 00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:03,340 were significant or representative of 761 00:31:08,769 --> 00:31:07,519 consciousness conscious choice of 762 00:31:10,989 --> 00:31:08,779 consciousness between other 763 00:31:13,299 --> 00:31:10,999 intelligences and the witnesses the 764 00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,309 witnesses that have been opened perhaps 765 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:15,679 through an encounter incident mm-hmm but 766 00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,210 the psychic the psychic link had 767 00:31:21,369 --> 00:31:19,279 remained so people have dreams of 768 00:31:23,769 --> 00:31:21,379 contact visions about contact visions 769 00:31:25,539 --> 00:31:23,779 about engaging in sightings and it's 770 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:25,549 this mental influence this is something 771 00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:28,070 that doesn't require once that once that 772 00:31:32,259 --> 00:31:30,409 communication pathway is working just 773 00:31:35,409 --> 00:31:32,269 like an internet connection or skype 774 00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:35,419 hookup but you know for audio once it's 775 00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,460 functioning then there can be a regular 776 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:39,200 exchange or flow of impressions and 777 00:31:44,739 --> 00:31:41,330 ideas and this is this is what happens 778 00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:44,749 this is where it leads us to in my 779 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:48,870 investigation not to not to diminish the 780 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:50,850 against of many other different kinds of 781 00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:54,510 encounters but what I focus on and what 782 00:32:00,770 --> 00:31:56,820 my witnesses consistently are able to 783 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:00,780 talk about is how a sighting leads on to 784 00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,570 inner dimensions of contact and that 785 00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:05,880 becomes a very powerful influence and 786 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:07,860 source of energy and inspiration and 787 00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:10,110 other things for those people you've 788 00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:12,780 probably read about the investigations 789 00:32:18,530 --> 00:32:16,140 the subjects who produced significant 790 00:32:20,030 --> 00:32:18,540 artworks or bodies of art works as a 791 00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:20,040 consequence of the contact or that 792 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:21,630 they're they're creative expressions 793 00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:25,080 were heavily influenced by contact so so 794 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:27,059 this this is aligned with what I'm 795 00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:29,130 describing that very deep inner 796 00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:31,110 processes are stimulated in ways that 797 00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:34,860 are not well understood but the the 798 00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:36,750 signs of that the signs of that 799 00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:40,140 influences are highly evident either 800 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:41,910 through emails that are time and date 801 00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,010 stamp describing precognitive dreams or 802 00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,080 through artistic expressions such as 803 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:48,240 paintings or sculptures that people will 804 00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,970 manifest perhaps even you know 805 00:32:54,410 --> 00:32:52,980 expressing new talents that had not 806 00:32:56,390 --> 00:32:54,420 previously been expressed and may have 807 00:32:58,940 --> 00:32:56,400 only been latent they'll be stimulated 808 00:33:00,290 --> 00:32:58,950 through this kind of contact and this 809 00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:00,300 this is where I see it's going that this 810 00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:05,520 this uh you know as learners as students 811 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:08,190 of various subjects we learn well in the 812 00:33:11,780 --> 00:33:10,050 company of others particularly those who 813 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:11,790 are more skilled or able in these 814 00:33:15,650 --> 00:33:13,740 subjects of interest so the presence of 815 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:15,660 someone who is strong in a subject area 816 00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:17,850 will have an influence that is really 817 00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,950 you can't really put it into words but 818 00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:21,120 it will influence the growth and 819 00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:23,880 development of the student and so we can 820 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:25,950 speculate that higher intelligence who 821 00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:28,410 demonstrate their aptitude through the 822 00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:31,020 operations of vehicles that aren't 823 00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:35,520 consuming gasoline that fly and appear 824 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:36,870 and disappear and appear to have like 825 00:33:41,030 --> 00:33:39,000 dimension shifting capabilities and 826 00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,040 stuff that we don't have in our consumer 827 00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:43,440 technology world we can assume that they 828 00:33:47,270 --> 00:33:45,150 are more intelligent or more keep more 829 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:47,280 capable than us their influences is 830 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:48,809 stimulating our growth and development 831 00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:50,610 that could be no doubt that we are 832 00:33:54,919 --> 00:33:52,800 becoming more intelligent through 833 00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:54,929 exposure to more intelligent entities in 834 00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:58,140 ourselves and so so I say it's mental 835 00:34:02,380 --> 00:34:01,260 and psychic influence that is a ver of 836 00:34:04,580 --> 00:34:02,390 great interest to me 837 00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:04,590 if someone who's worked as a clinician 838 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:07,380 over a number of years working in areas 839 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:10,730 subconscious communications resolving 840 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:13,790 repressed trauma these kinds of topics 841 00:34:18,020 --> 00:34:16,050 so I have an appreciation for the 842 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:18,030 processes of growth and development in 843 00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,330 the psychological arena and I say that 844 00:34:25,610 --> 00:34:24,000 this this is this is a topic that's wide 845 00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:25,620 open for deeper studies and 846 00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:28,950 understanding the influence of the of 847 00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:31,110 the presence of the UFOs and the 848 00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:33,000 consciousness is behind them their 849 00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:33,990 influence on the growth and development 850 00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:37,260 of human human mental and emotional 851 00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:39,840 potential in our synaptic development 852 00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:42,390 neural pathways are heavily influenced 853 00:34:47,090 --> 00:34:45,030 one of the signs you know of the other 854 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:47,100 nervous system responds to the influence 855 00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:50,490 of a UFO encounter is how nervous the 856 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:52,710 camera operator becomes and I can speak 857 00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:55,290 from firsthand experience is that having 858 00:35:00,500 --> 00:34:57,510 exceptional tremors during the recording 859 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:00,510 period is normal when your when your 860 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:01,290 especially if you're not really 861 00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:04,170 conditioned to it I've had incidences 862 00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:06,990 where I was able to handle recording the 863 00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:09,750 shot from maybe 30 seconds or a minute 864 00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:11,670 and then I couldn't keep the object in 865 00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:14,460 the frame I couldn't handle my nervous 866 00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:15,990 system couldn't handle what was going on 867 00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,230 and I'm sure I'd be the same way I mean 868 00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:21,960 it's but yet so this is this is this is 869 00:35:26,180 --> 00:35:24,360 this is a very interesting phenomena 870 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:26,190 that you can you can measure when you're 871 00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:28,530 involved in something like this my call 872 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:30,030 it like James gilliland that he said he 873 00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:31,530 ranch has a lot to say about this 874 00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:32,790 because the number of witnesses and 875 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:34,200 camera operators have been on his 876 00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:36,450 property and what he likes to talk about 877 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:38,820 is how folks even from the television 878 00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:41,760 crews these are hardened hardened camera 879 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:45,000 operators will forget to turn on their 880 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:48,450 cameras will will stand with their jaws 881 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,910 dropping and you know forget to record 882 00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:53,280 all this will happen because the nervous 883 00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:54,660 system isn't ready they don't the 884 00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:57,180 synoptic development isn't there the 885 00:36:01,460 --> 00:35:59,400 conditioning isn't there and so our 886 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,470 functionality we're a whole new area of 887 00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,800 functionality it's it affects the growth 888 00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:06,240 and development of the nervous system 889 00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:07,560 these encounters is just no doubt about 890 00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:09,960 it and we can measure that by how 891 00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,120 fidgety and jittery we get when we're 892 00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:14,160 trying to make a recording wow you know 893 00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:15,710 I I have a friend in 894 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:18,800 Oregon on the Oregon coast and she moved 895 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:20,210 up there with her husband from 896 00:36:26,859 --> 00:36:23,930 California and she told me about I told 897 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:26,869 her about my this podcast and she told 898 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:29,210 me about some dreams she's having and 899 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:31,310 she thinks that she's being contacted 900 00:36:35,230 --> 00:36:33,530 through dreams I should connect you two 901 00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:35,240 together to talk because she had quite a 902 00:36:40,329 --> 00:36:38,420 story and that other people have shown 903 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:40,339 up in this town that are having the same 904 00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:44,570 dream Wow and yeah it's right on the 905 00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,430 Oregon coast so we'll talk off air on 906 00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:47,839 that and I'll connect you two together 907 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:50,420 if you'd like to talk to her so so for 908 00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:52,130 the audience shake it we can know how 909 00:36:56,290 --> 00:36:54,200 timely it was that I brought up this 910 00:36:59,650 --> 00:36:56,300 dimension of contact and how accessible 911 00:37:01,780 --> 00:36:59,660 for you Martin it is in that you you 912 00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:01,790 have you have someone in your world who 913 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:03,560 knows all about having dreams about 914 00:37:08,349 --> 00:37:06,560 contact yeah as soon as you mentioned it 915 00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:08,359 was like I'll be darned cuz i had never 916 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:10,760 heard that before except for her talking 917 00:37:15,070 --> 00:37:13,190 about it well and you know she's running 918 00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:15,080 to some scientists that actually have 919 00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:17,540 moved to her town and they're having you 920 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:19,430 know the dreams which is you know these 921 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:21,890 are highly respected scientists that are 922 00:37:27,490 --> 00:37:24,290 having the same dream very interesting 923 00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:27,500 yeah yeah so that's that's a level that 924 00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:29,780 I have never ever thought of at all and 925 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:32,900 i'm sure most people don't well no and 926 00:37:36,940 --> 00:37:35,089 again it's part of our conditioning in 927 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:36,950 terms of our experience with the subject 928 00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:39,730 the folks who engage in hypnotic 929 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:42,640 regression of course are exploring 930 00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:45,230 unconscious dimensions of contact and 931 00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:47,180 the psychic impressions on the 932 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:48,500 contactees there's a lot of literature 933 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:52,130 that's published about the results of 934 00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:53,570 regression sessions and what what the 935 00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,790 witnesses said we can go back to the 936 00:37:58,540 --> 00:37:57,200 interrupted journey which is the book 937 00:38:01,930 --> 00:37:58,550 that was written about Betty and Barney 938 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:01,940 Hill and the discussion about what 939 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:04,570 emerged through the hypnotic regressions 940 00:38:11,230 --> 00:38:07,490 but but I think that you know at the end 941 00:38:13,150 --> 00:38:11,240 of the day most of us probably the 942 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:13,160 majority of us aren't left with nuts and 943 00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,530 bolts evidence of UFOs in hand that was 944 00:38:18,849 --> 00:38:17,119 given to us by someone who walked off a 945 00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:18,859 spacecraft to take to the White House or 946 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:20,510 something like that that's that's not 947 00:38:24,339 --> 00:38:22,250 what what we're left with we're left 948 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:24,349 with an impression and we're left with 949 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:26,570 the influence we may have a recording we 950 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:28,970 may not but it's it's the legacy of 951 00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:29,690 these 952 00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:32,660 inches is is it remains it's in our it's 953 00:38:37,780 --> 00:38:35,870 impacts our psyche and this is you know 954 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:37,790 so so when we ask ourselves you know 955 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:39,710 what does it all mean why am I having 956 00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:41,210 dreams about such things why am I having 957 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:43,580 such encounters and witnesses you know 958 00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:45,680 witnessing all this this really far-out 959 00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:47,750 stuff why is this happening what is it 960 00:38:52,780 --> 00:38:49,240 what am I supposed to do with this a 961 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:52,790 part of it is is it's just it's just 962 00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,650 this influence the signature at leaves 963 00:38:59,320 --> 00:38:56,960 on our consciousness perhaps it prepares 964 00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,330 us for future events perhaps it prepares 965 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:01,040 us for something else it certainly is 966 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:03,170 but but again as I mentioned earlier due 967 00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:05,510 to the expression the obvious expression 968 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:07,160 of jitters and other kinds of nervous 969 00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:08,510 phenomena that happened during the 970 00:39:13,690 --> 00:39:10,550 encounters there's no doubt that's 971 00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:13,700 impacting our nervous system so we have 972 00:39:17,890 --> 00:39:16,190 to reframe you know from there we really 973 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:17,900 have what we have to do is is a human 974 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:19,610 societies reframe our position in the 975 00:39:22,930 --> 00:39:20,930 world and in the universe you know we're 976 00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,940 not Canada has a lot of large 977 00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:24,320 corporations for example that are 978 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:28,760 involved in global resources like mining 979 00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,690 or gas and oil mm-hmm you know people 980 00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:33,680 are some people are making a lot of 981 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:36,260 money make cutting deals in Mongolia and 982 00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:38,530 other parts of the world to exploit 983 00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,230 resources from the earth but this is 984 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:43,760 just you know sort of a you know the 985 00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:46,130 Descartes man over nature kind of 986 00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:48,260 philosophy that's that's supporting that 987 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:50,180 it's not the only way to be you know 988 00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:51,890 this isn't the only way they'll it's not 989 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:53,270 the only way to live in the world yes we 990 00:39:56,590 --> 00:39:55,250 need resources to do different things we 991 00:39:58,330 --> 00:39:56,600 couldn't have an internet with some tech 992 00:40:01,090 --> 00:39:58,340 without some technology that turns sand 993 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:01,100 into interview no circuit boards we 994 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:04,010 couldn't do it but our it's you know 995 00:40:09,010 --> 00:40:06,050 it's it's in the interest of you know 996 00:40:11,490 --> 00:40:09,020 leveraging our strengths our technical 997 00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:11,500 strength sent our ambitions to propel 998 00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:13,550 everybody forwards you know to make 999 00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:15,710 create a better world and to find a way 1000 00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:17,480 that humans can live in harmony to 1001 00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:19,790 create harmony in our western society 1002 00:40:22,510 --> 00:40:21,380 has a lot of defects and we can read 1003 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:22,520 about them every day in the papers about 1004 00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:24,890 the terrible things that go on you know 1005 00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:26,600 people lose it people go crazy people 1006 00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:28,100 act like they're insane and they do 1007 00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:29,540 terrible things and it's in the paper 1008 00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,950 every day we have problems in our 1009 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:33,680 society that aren't solved just by you 1010 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:36,410 know getting rich or you know being a 1011 00:40:40,540 --> 00:40:39,290 big shot in a fancy car or whatever it 1012 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:40,550 is you know being a Donald Trump or 1013 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:42,290 whatever it is being the boss and firing 1014 00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:43,250 people that's not 1015 00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:44,270 the end of the you know this isn't the 1016 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:46,190 be-all and end-all we have the humanity 1017 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:47,810 is a long future ahead of us we have you 1018 00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:51,710 know a super-duper destiny and getting 1019 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:53,720 in touch with that and re-examining our 1020 00:40:58,720 --> 00:40:55,010 position people in the Exopolitics 1021 00:41:03,040 --> 00:40:58,730 community talk about how there are all 1022 00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:03,050 these cosmic societies that that have a 1023 00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:07,580 political agenda and a defined hierarchy 1024 00:41:13,570 --> 00:41:10,520 of organization an organization of 1025 00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,580 societies of multi species type 1026 00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:15,440 societies speculatively or or 1027 00:41:22,330 --> 00:41:19,000 empirically and that the earth is like a 1028 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:22,340 quarantine zone because of our our 1029 00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:25,250 commitment to war and exploit 1030 00:41:30,610 --> 00:41:29,270 exploitation we know we don't want to we 1031 00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:30,620 don't want to think necessarily about 1032 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:32,540 exporting that to other parts of the 1033 00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:35,450 galaxy just yet and I hope not we want 1034 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:36,920 to bring up we want to bring all the 1035 00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:38,690 best things about you know our wealth of 1036 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:41,630 culture and ideas and you know know how 1037 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:43,130 an initiative the thing you know things 1038 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:44,570 that make the world great that we have 1039 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:46,370 in us as well we want to take that stuff 1040 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:49,010 but we have we have to reframe you know 1041 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:50,690 what our society's about what our 1042 00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,610 commitment is to you know you know we 1043 00:42:00,250 --> 00:41:58,400 have we have a warm de facto war based 1044 00:42:01,630 --> 00:42:00,260 economy the Canada is heavily married 1045 00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:01,640 into with the source of most of the 1046 00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:03,140 uranium that goes into the depleted 1047 00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:05,750 uranium munitions we think about 1048 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:07,310 depleted uranium polluting what 1049 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:09,410 widespread water resources on a global 1050 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:11,810 regional basis well my understanding 1051 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:14,210 from talking to UFO witnesses in areas 1052 00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:16,130 like Stephenville and Martha is that the 1053 00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,020 UFOs and this is in literature as well 1054 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:21,440 from many are is is the UFOs are used 1055 00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:23,090 the waters resources for different 1056 00:42:28,510 --> 00:42:26,030 purposes that they need the water too so 1057 00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:28,520 you know our nuclear industry that's 1058 00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:29,990 creating like Fukushima scale 1059 00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:32,960 catastrophes is polluting everything the 1060 00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,060 people the other kinds of people who 1061 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:36,560 live here that we may or may not know 1062 00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:39,290 much very much about also have a stake 1063 00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:41,840 in in the in the sustainability of our 1064 00:42:47,770 --> 00:42:44,540 planet you know a repay a rapacious 1065 00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:47,780 destruction destructive approach that 1066 00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:50,840 you know consumes everything and again 1067 00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:52,220 you know consolidates all the wealth 1068 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:54,710 into the hands of very very few people 1069 00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:56,930 isn't going to produce an 1070 00:43:00,730 --> 00:42:57,920 environment that's going to work for 1071 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:00,740 everybody so we were challenged in other 1072 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:02,930 words I'm saying that these there the 1073 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:04,930 UFO challenges us on a scientific level 1074 00:43:09,809 --> 00:43:07,430 philosophical level religious level but 1075 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:09,819 it also challenges on a political social 1076 00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:12,290 development level as well because at the 1077 00:43:16,359 --> 00:43:13,670 end of the day most of us aren't left 1078 00:43:19,390 --> 00:43:16,369 with nuts and bolts mini spacecraft you 1079 00:43:22,059 --> 00:43:19,400 know souvenirs from the aliens most of 1080 00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:22,069 us don't get that we are left with is 1081 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:24,710 it's the legacy is the signature it 1082 00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:26,930 leaves on our minds you know it to make 1083 00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,030 us ask questions to look beyond is there 1084 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:31,520 a better way is there a better way you 1085 00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:33,410 know are these examples of beings who 1086 00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:35,000 found a better way can we as a human 1087 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:36,680 species can we find a better way and 1088 00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:38,210 this is what these are the questions 1089 00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:40,700 that I think about that's great that's 1090 00:43:44,410 --> 00:43:42,260 great well you've been an excellent 1091 00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:44,420 guest can where can someone find you you 1092 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:47,240 gave out your website earlier my website 1093 00:43:53,230 --> 00:43:49,369 which is a hub for all of my different 1094 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:53,240 projects is your inner voice calm your 1095 00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:55,490 inner voice calm you can find me as the 1096 00:44:01,210 --> 00:43:58,250 Vancouver UFO examiner on examiner com I 1097 00:44:04,089 --> 00:44:01,220 produce secret message TV for YouTube 1098 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:04,099 and I have all the kinds of projects I'm 1099 00:44:09,309 --> 00:44:08,089 an advisor for XO University org this 1100 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:09,319 year you'll find me in all kinds of 1101 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:11,210 places trance report with one appalled 1102 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:13,490 is one of my productions I'm in a lot of 1103 00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:14,930 different laces out folks will look me 1104 00:44:17,950 --> 00:44:16,430 up on facebook or come to my website 1105 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:17,960 Sammy some email tell me your stories 1106 00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,730 and again Martin I do want to hear more 1107 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:21,680 from your folks in Oregon it sounds 1108 00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,730 faceted and what they're going through 1109 00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:25,520 as well yes great so thank you so much